And My Friends think I'm nutts when I say NO GUNS!

[Bruv]

Originally Posted by Haqa

You've not watched Leathal Weapon 2 then? Where Danny Glover kills two assailants with a nail-gun?

Or texas chainsaw hookers (Or the texas chainsaw masacre for that matter).

H.

See......you have made my point.
Confusing a a story with reality.......Danny Glover or the character he played ?
And you are a relatively intelligent adult........(should put a smiley but cant be bothered)

[Haqa]

Originally Posted by Bruv2

See......you have made my point.
Confusing a a story with reality.......Danny Glover or the character he played ?
And you are a relatively intelligent adult........(should put a smiley but cant be bothered)

I don't recall the name of the character he played. I'm not confusing fact with fiction or story with reality, but children are far more likely to, and in this wonderful age when people seem to allow younger and younger children to do things which should be reserved for those who are older (and SHOULD have gathered more wisdom and experience, or at least common sense), can you honestly tell me that young children (such as the one in this story) are not routinely being permitted to watch such films?

Perhaps we should start to make people take responsibility for their actions, and when they are looking after children (their own or others), make them take responsibility for monitoring what those children are doing?

Was answering the phone so important? If so, then clearly he was not appropriately placed to look after the children in the first place. A little personal responsibility is needed not a heavy handed nanny-state.

We already have TOO MANY laws in this country, and probably nine tenths of them are bad or unworkable because they were drafted and enacted quickly as knee-jerk reactions to situations where legislation wasn't the appropriate answer.

H.

[Bruv]

..................can you honestly tell me that young children (such as the one in this story) are not routinely being permitted to watch such films?.........

I suspect they are Yes.....

Its not too long ago that TV News pictures came with a warning....not these days.
Maybe Mary (pain in the ar*e) Whitehouse was correct.

[Von Spreuth.]

Originally Posted by Haqa

Of course not, and a ban on air guns is just as ludicrous. What should be done is that the EXISTING laws on the storage and safe handling of lethal firearms should be enforced.

A Fire arm, is a barreled weapon that ejects a projectile by the means of an explosive substance.

An air rifle is NOT a firearm. NOR is it classed as lethal.

Show me ONE instance whereby a person has been KILLED by an air rifle.

Originally Posted by poppy

If you must shoot something buy a spud gun.

Took a guy to hospital who lost his eye through having a spud gun fired at him.

Again MOST of you are jumping on GROUP PUNISHMENT as an answer.

You do NOT ban the tool you make sure those that missuse it remember their mistake for a VERY long time.

If thatz involves scars, then all the better.

You do NOT remove the rights of the majority of law abiding users because you are to fucking weak willed to do anything serious to the guilty.

[Haqa]

Originally Posted by Von Spreuth.

A Fire arm, is a barreled weapon that ejects a projectile by the means of an explosive substance.

Originally Posted by cps

Definition of firearms and air weapons

(Archbold, 24.85)
A firearm is "a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged" (Section 57 (1) Firearms Act 1968), it includes:

Originally Posted by Von Spreuth.

An air rifle is NOT a firearm. NOR is it classed as lethal.

Originally Posted by cps

An air rifle is "specially dangerous" if it is capable of discharging a missile so that the missile has, on being discharged form the muzzle of the weapon, kinetic energy in excess in the case of a pistol of 6ft lbs or, in the case of an air weapon other than an air pistol, 12 ft lbs. (Archbold 24-8a)


Paintball guns are a type of air weapon. The Home Office regard self-loading or pump action rifled airguns (including paintball guns) as outside the scope of the Firearms Act, unless they are sufficiently powerful to fall within the category of a "specially dangerous" air weapon (Archbold 24.8a). Paintball guns could be considered imitation firearms.

Realistic imitation firearms

As from the 1 October 2007, s36 Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 creates a new offence to manufacture, import or sell realistic imitation firearms. It also makes it an offence to modify an imitation firearm to make it realistic.


s38 defines a "realistic imitation firearm" as "an imitation firearm which has an appearance that is so realistic as to make it indistinguishable, for all practical purposes, from a real firearm". As a result of "real firearm" (defined in s38(7)) imitations of pre-1870 firearms are not caught by the new offence.

It is interesting to note that the Airsoft community has a different reading of this section, and if you are a UKARA member it IS legal to import RIF as long as they have a muzzle velocity of less then 500fps with 0.2g projectiles.

Originally Posted by Von Spreuth.

Show me ONE instance whereby a person has been KILLED by an air rifle.

BBC NEWS | England | London | Man killed with his own air rifle

Originally Posted by Von Spreuth.

Took a guy to hospital who lost his eye through having a spud gun fired at him.

Again MOST of you are jumping on GROUP PUNISHMENT as an answer.

You do NOT ban the tool you make sure those that missuse it remember their mistake for a VERY long time.

If thatz involves scars, then all the better.

You do NOT remove the rights of the majority of law abiding users because you are to fucking weak willed to do anything serious to the guilty.

This last I agree with.

H.

Note: quotes from cps taken from The CPS : Guidance on miscellaneous offences : Firearms, incorporating Charging Standards

[emmylou]

lol at your bibligraphy.... no accusations of plagiarism lol

[Haqa]

Who me?

H.

[Von Spreuth.]

Originally Posted by Haqa

BBC NEWS | England | London | Man killed with his own air rifle

I would suggest this was not the air rifle killing him, but something, such as a heart attack, brought on by the shot.

They used air rifles as snipüer weapons in the American cuoivil war, BUT they were gas cylider powered, and therefore somnething, in law, totaly different.

(AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH Why are what people quoted not included whe you quote the fuckin post????)

Note: quotes from cps taken from The CPS : Guidance on miscellaneous offences : Firearms, incorporating Charging Standards

Must also be noted that as with the cannabis laws, "Nu labour" change these rules more often than they change their under wear.

Last I bokked any one for it, an air rifle was NOT a fire arm. and that had stood since Victorian times. However, that twat in Dunblain caused ALL kinds of opportunitys to a shower of wankers called Labour, that thing a pea shooter should be classed as a fire arm.

It must ALSO be noted, that ALL fire arms legistlation is open to interpretation by the local Chief Constable.

For example, Merseyside, it was no problem to get a semi auto pistol put on your ticket. But in Manchester it was virtualy impossible.

The same go for the reaction of courts and police to air weapons.

And Archbold is only a commentary, the same as Butterworths, or even the Highway code. It is NOT the law as written. Stones justice mannuals, however are worth having.

[Haqa]

Hmm.. I'd say that a 12ft lb sniper type air rifle (Such as the one in the link) is actually lethal with the correct pellets - They'll need to be penetrating type, but at that energy and at short range they could easily penetrate a vital organ.

H.

[Von Spreuth.]

Still more by luck than judgement.