BBC: public question case for licence fee

[Bruv]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

Do I always want it?

If and when you do.....dont look on the Discovery channel for it

[Sweetpea]

OK, I do. It's on now...lol

[Von Spreuth.]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

can I interest you in:

[Von Spreuth.]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

An awful lot of our money goes into making tons of bloody ad's for.....................you guessed it, the BBC.

BBC ANYWHERE else besides Britain has more adverts than some "commercial" channels.

And we are talking United Emirates, or Singapore, or Dubai. So they are NOT doing THOSE for free. So do not just ask where the licence fee is going, but where the MILLIONS from these adverts are dissapearing to.

Originally Posted by Bruv2

You know what I think dont you ?

Bruv I have "known" you about three years now. And you are STILL a puzzle.

So the answer is NO!

Originally Posted by Bruv2

Reiterate ?
The British love to beat up their successes, the BBC is one of our finest most prestigious respected successes.

BOLLOX!

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

The Discovery channel knocks the BBC into a cocked hat.

Well. You do not know what yopu are missing if you have only ever had U.K channels to compare.

Arte, DMAX, N-24, Europa news, and ten or 11 others, JUST in Germany/France.

Originally Posted by Bruv2

Most channels can beat the BBC on a one off every now and again.

How often does "every now and again" have to happen before it becomes "constantly" in your book?

Originally Posted by Bruv2

Consider the total out put of the BBC, before knocking it.

Yes. I AM doing.

You mentioned World service. Radio 4, and BBC World are the same.

They advertise themselves as "24 hour radio".

NO THEY ARE BLOODY NOT!

They are four hours repeated five times per day, with "news" taking up the rest.

And not ONLY that, 90% of the programmes are aired three or four times per week. Listen to it for two months, you will hear/see the same cycle repeating.

And do NOT think that these stations are "indipendent".

If you watch BBC World, and listen to radio 4, or the World Service, you will find that they do not do RADIO interviews any more. They merely frame the T.V interviews in such a way that it may be used on the radio as well.

Bet they do not tell you THAT on their adverts hey?

[Haqa]

I really have to agree with Von on this issue, the quality of the output from the BBC has declined steadily (not fast, but continuously) over a long period, until we get to the point where unless you like East Enders (I don't), you really don't have much call for that button on the remote.

It should probably also be noted that producing populist television like soaps, competition shows, reality TV etc is OUTSIDE their remit, as is buying in such content from elsewhere. They are supposed to use the licence fee to produce TV that could not otherwise be produced but which adds quality and value to British Life (Or some wording like that).

The examples generally given are period dramas such as "I Claudius" etc, or supporting the work of the Open University. For example I have to admit that the series Coast was excellent, but one series does not justify the licence fee.

H.

[Von Spreuth.]

Originally Posted by Haqa

as is buying in such content from elsewhere. They are supposed to use the licence fee to produce TV that could not otherwise be produced but which adds quality and value to British Life (Or some wording like that).

Wellll. JUST to rub salt in the wounds, all those Documentary channels I mentioned?

A full THIRD of their programmes are produced by the BBC! And ONLY in "World languages". Ie NOT English. They are not for "U.K consumption".

The rest come from "Discovery" or "National Geographic".

AND they are showing them 24 hours per day, seven days per week.

And yes, there ARE repeats, but really the information contained NEEDS repeat viewing, within reason.

So ask where the money they are getting for selling THOSE is going as well.

I HAVE asked the BBC on MANY occassion, but either, on the web, the posts are never published (The same goes for questions re repeats), OR, by E-Mail, they never answer.

[Bruv]

Originally Posted by Von Spreuth.

Wellll. JUST to rub salt in the wounds, all those Documentary channels I mentioned?

A full THIRD of their programmes are produced by the BBC! And ONLY in "World languages". Ie NOT English. They are not for "U.K consumption".

The rest come from "Discovery" or "National Geographic".

Now Von is a TV expert....(Who claims he doesn't watch much)
So the BBC is producing a third of some of your fav channels programming ?
I think you might find some of your National Geographic and Discovery output are done in association with the BBC.

If you send a camera crew into the amazonian jungle for 10 months you get a lot of footage, it can be cut and edited for several markets, and shared between programmers.....even foriegn language markets....good business sense.

[Von Spreuth.]

Originally Posted by Bruv2

Now Von is a TV expert....(Who claims he doesn't watch much)

And you have CONNVIENIENTLY missed out the rest;

"EXCEPT WHEN AT WORK, OR IF IT IS DOCCUMENTARIES".

You really SHOULD consider going into politics Bruv.

[Von Spreuth.]

Originally Posted by Bruv2

I think you might find some of your National Geographic and Discovery output are done in association with the BBC.

So that makes it WORSE, not better.

And no. these are programmes made "EXCLUSIVELY for Arté, Phoenix, Vox, etc".

German (and German/Frrench in the case of Arté), still bother their arses to make new programmes, or HAVE them made, FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS AT HOME!

Unlike the Baghdad Broadcasting Corporation.

[Mad Cow]

The only prog I watch on BBC now is Casualty.... since we got Sky, we just don't watch terestrial progs anymore!!!!
Well not since my Husband discovered the joys of UKTV GOLD and the fact they show repeat after repeat of only fools and horses..... Thank God for the internet..!